Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". So I gave her the. They were living like students, says the Rev. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. And he was beautiful, Kate says. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. Understood? When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Right? Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. "They are appalled and outraged.". I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. I only live a block away.' MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. "It's a blur of emotion." While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. He was to us, like our gift from God. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. Very, very serious. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? 1 Photo. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Andrew and Zachary's murders. I just want to get through medical school.'. I had a job I loved. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. And I said, `Who?' Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. And that was midafternoon. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. And he'd be like(turns. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. At least he might have asleep when she went in. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. Really? They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? The. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. I mean, the best man is really the groom. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. He was like Andrew. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? I had this overwhelming feeling. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. "It was an overpowering feeling. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. Whom was also a doctor. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. But with special people, yes. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Cpl. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Did. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. Cpl. Why don't you just take him?'. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. And we came back. It's. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. And we, would have agreed to anything. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. then one day I realized what it was. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". $19.46 2 New from $19.46. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). Get help and learn more about the design. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. MORRISON: But then things changed. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. David reacted with anger. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. It would take two weeks. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. (Talking in group) This is not about money. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. Cpl. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. And we were going to be his savior.. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Change is slow. Serious crime is rare in this country. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Such memories are happy and hard. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Why would she say that if he wasn't? For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. We're churning. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. I dont know.. She. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Snow. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. David Bagby. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. a month after 30 days. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. But of course I didn't. I said, `This woman was in town. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? One of the best books that I have ever read. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. And you just bought the gun, right? is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. We lived for that hour every week.. 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