In her past career, Shaw clerked in the Supreme Court for. ELIJAH SCHAFFER (@ElijahSchaffer) October 5, 2022, Whats going on with the German National Socialist propaganda, Chris? Now, this is basically the standard for American League home run leaders for like the entirety of the first 20 years of the 20th century. Chris Hayes: Well, that gets to something fascinating to me because we use the term "lost to history." And his training is all in the clan, right. Chris Hayes: They sacrificed tremendous amount of bloodshed. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Chris Hayes: Who figures prominently in the podcast. Chris Hayes: Right, right. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. I want people to listen. Chris Hayes: -- I think like his coinage, essentially, in the proper imagination. Actually, when I heard the gloss (ph), and I was like, that can't be right. Why is he so upset? If passed, this bill in Iowa would pose a massive challenge to the federal government's recognition of same-sex marriage. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. But the effort to force a resolution to it through the criminal law and through the courts didn't work. Rachel Maddow: Yes. I feel like there has been real ultraright pro-authoritarian radicalism adjacent to Republican electoral politics for longer than we admitted. I brought you the whole thing. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. Rachel Maddow: A paid agent of Hitler's government working with members of Congress and members of the United States Senate to distribute, literally, propaganda written by the German government targeting the American people in quantity. Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. Are you the local activist whos worried about people getting beat up outside this sort of antisemitic street meetings? "Upon careful consideration, I have terminated my relationship with the Lincoln Project, effective immediately," Ms . Like, over the generations actually, the people who are the worst actors in this ultra-right sphere of American politics are thieves. It has all of the kind of like context, and history, and pacing, and sort of just like narrative oomph of like a great Rachel A block, but with all the production abilities of a great podcast. Maddow is best known for hosting MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show.She is known . Dog whistle, much? Like, you're getting the name of the senator. Chris Hayes: Do you think we have the right antibodies now? They didn't want Nazi war criminals being put on trial because that was unfair to the Nazis. Chris Hayes: Well, so let's talk about before we get to the podcast --. Rachel Maddow joins Chris Hayes to talk about her new podcast, how we can use history to make sense of current events, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. Chris Hayes: -- tools of liberal democracy. Chris Hayes: -- like, Im not doing anything. Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. And then the prosecutor said they continued their plot. The Rachel Maddow Show airs Mondays at 9pm ET on MSNBC, and shortly thereafter in this feed. And he gets locked up for embezzling from the German American Bund because, I mean --, Rachel Maddow: -- one of the historic truths that you keep bumping up against is that a lot of people who have fascist and authoritarian impulses and move in these directions, theyre also grifters and --. Get the latest news delivered right to your email. And the way you do the work to get them there is to assume that people know nothing when you start, right. I mean, I brought this for you as a present. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. He goes to Germany. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. And then in 1914, he had nine. Chris Hayes: Well, and it also, I mean, the obvious resonance is here with the current day. And some of them were activists and infiltrators, and anti-fascist movement participants. So Susan's annoyed because I'm not working any less. The political commentator Chris was born on February 28, 1979. I haven't figured out how to work less, but I am working in a different way and I'm doing different things, and that is valuable. Chris Hayes: -- senator from Minnesota. Rachel Maddow: -- 10:30. Its really --. Chris Hayes: I don't know whose secretary is. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, hes a great interview --, Rachel Maddow: -- but its a great book. What was that Howard Stern bit (ph)? And so you're focused on that name. It requires attention, and Rachel is supremely gifted at paying attention." Maddow's friend and fellow MSNBC host Chris Hayes, who considers her a mentor, compares her to LeBron James. Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. Rachel Maddow: -- sort of a bit player in this story and theyre actually supported by the Hitler government. Obviously, in a big country, people have all sorts of views, right --. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. ", Rich Polk / Getty Images for Politicon; Scott Olson / Getty Images. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. Were going to fight them by trying to get our churches to be more active on this, and trying to get the police to be more aware of what were doing, and to try to get neighborhood organizations that are both aware of this and organizing against it. The Rachel Maddow Show - 11/21/22. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible. So heres the thing Im really interested in because this is another resonance. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. Rachel Maddow: Oh, the full pamphlet. I was burning myself out physically and mentally in a way that meant that I was not going to be able to keep doing this for very long. As I'm speaking to you, I think the podcast is available now wherever you get your podcast. Thats like hes a multiple of the Super Bowl every week in terms of --. I mean, yeah, weve got really radical right-wing media, but we dont have anything like that. And so, deciding that we won in the war --, Rachel Maddow: -- and, therefore, that vanquished --, Rachel Maddow: And all Americans came around --. In the first quarter of 2015, "The Rachel Maddow Show" was ranked 26th among all cable news shows. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. As Hayes wrapped up his 8:00 p.m. show, he passed the baton to his 9:00 p.m. successor, who then immediately alluded to an earlier conversation the pair had earlier in the day. Not to be weird but, like, I'm very grateful to the executives at the company who said I could do this, because it means that I don't have to quit doing what I'm doing. Offsite Link by Anonymous reply 24 May 21, 2020 12:04 AM They are best friends. Theyre only being persecuted now as payback for all the evil things they have done, social justice. Well, then who are the Jewish bankers, right? We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. Rachel Maddow MSNBC 4 Anderson Cooper Big Government Jake Tapper 5 Christiane Amanpour James O'Keefe Joy Reid 6 Pope Francis Sean Hannity Chris Hayes 7 Dr Sanjay Gupta Raheem Emma Gonzlez 8 CNNMoney Joel B. Pollak Markos Moulitsas 9 Jake Tapper Ann Coulter Maggie Haberman 10 Brian Stelter Allum Bokhari It's like, could we --, Chris Hayes: I want to follow-up on this. Rachel Maddow: -- nodding along. Since then, he has written extensively for The Western Journal on the Trump administration as well as foreign policy and military issues. As Sean Hannity rooted for the likely end of Lori Lightfoots political career, he simply couldnt help himself. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. A new biography about the Duke of Sussex alleges that Prince Harry was not always the ardent proponent of "woke" dogma he is today. Rachel Maddow: As his own, yes. Theres a role for journalism, there is a role for activism. Rachel Maddow: And so, you end up with all sorts of ways that the criminal law can be engaged against some of these leaders, you know, and thats not definitionally true, just historically recurring. Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. It's about thinking about the way the mind works, right? And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. Chris Hayes: -- ballpark, what is this? Right. Chris Hayes: Yeah, hes just a parish priest. I don't know. Theyre not sending their best. A Goodwill branch has, too. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. And the marrying of those two things, a violent threat to overthrow the U.S. government multiple plots along those lines --, Chris Hayes: Hoarding guns, training with those guns and weapons, ordnance, I mean --. Earlier in his program, Hayes recounted an. "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. And everybody is like --. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. 715: March 20, 2019 () Paul Giamatti, Senator Doug Jones: Aparna Nancherla: Doin' It Donkey Style. Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. And the Hitler government simultaneously supporting both native fascist and German fascist movements in this country that were plotting a violent overthrow of the U.S. Government. He's an unlikely success at MSNBC, coming from the relatively small world of left-wing magazines as an editor of The Nation and a socialist newspaper in Chicago before that. I had also taken out the name of the flight attendant, but I put the name of the flight attendant back in in a later draft, because you need to be able to picture her name on the piece of paper that we describe when we bring out --, Rachel Maddow: -- the flight attendant later in the story. At least three prime time MSNBC hosts have changed their tone on Covid-19 vaccines since 2020, Twitter archives reveal. These are ones we are paying, and he publishes it and gets fired from the Justice Department for doing it. Like, oh, dont worry too much about what youre hearing about the supposed Jews being supposedly persecuted. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. It ends up being very handy. So that, to me, was like incredibly exciting. And then everyone starts doing it differently or some people try to do it differently, even if they're not quite as good. A joke kills, they keep it. He transitioned from. And sedition is, therefore, very hard to prove because anybody whos on trial for sedition --, Rachel Maddow: -- did not have an effective --, Rachel Maddow: -- seditious plan. What is the salary of Rachel Maddow? Chris Hayes: Let's talk about Ernest Lundeen --. Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. Hayes is happily married to Kate Shaw, and they are blessed with . And the justice department in the wake of Longs assassination sent a prosecutor down to Louisiana basically to go bust up Hue Long machine to root out not only his vestiges of dictatorial power, but also bust all the corruption that he had left behind, which was profound. Rachel Maddow: Weve got fascist antisemitic thugs who are echoing the Hitler line. It was the seventh most-watched show in the first quarter of 2017. 9PM-112122. It kind of worked and he kind of broke it up. Its like, oh, yeah, they like that. January 20th is inauguration. Deadline: White House. Lack has taken a large role in rehabilitating Williams's career, which took a big hit in 2015 when he was removed as anchor of "NBC Nightly News" over revelations he exaggerated stories about his. And I've been kind of like champing at bit of, like, OK, what do we do here? Rachel Maddow: I love that, but it takes a lot of work. Rachel Maddow: Really not clear that youre going to be able to get against the Oath Keepers? Chris Hayes: But when youre dealing with something this existential and this core to both the life blood of what liberal democracy is that that system may not be that well-equipped to do it. Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. And so one of the most remarkable things about the history of Coughlin is the end of Coughlin, which is --, Rachel Maddow: -- in part because his radicalism is freaking people out, but its mostly because the Catholic church pulls the plug on him, and he allows for that. Rachel Maddow: It is great. And we, in the Bronx, need to figure out how we are going to fight that. I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. That deal will give Maddow, the highest-rated host on MSNBC, a jaw-dropping $30 million per year to keep her with the company through the 2024 election, according to four people familiar with the matter. I mean, its all of those things. Those poor defendants were not convicted. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Rachel Maddow: -- to distribute German government propaganda in the United States through the U.S. Congress and through the United States Senate. So all that said, it is a great pleasure to have the one and only Rachel Maddow. Rachel Maddow: Who will appoint the necessary strong man? So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. Chris Hayes: -- transparent work product in the world. There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing. "Chris has done an amazing job creating a franchise on weekend mornings," said Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC. But no sooner did they move to New York City. . You can have fascist feelings. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. Rachel Maddow: His reach in terms of his market penetration and his radicalism cannot be overstated. Are you Dorothy Thompson or Drew Pearson, one of these nationally syndicated, incredibly powerful journalists who has to decide where youre going to train your fire power? In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. You can get the first two episodes now wherever you get your podcasts. Chris Hayes: As I've been listening to this, I've been thinking about just the rupture that happens with Pearl Harbor. Rachel Maddow: And its like, you know what, Francis Sweeney, you know, I dont know if there ought to be a statue to you, but I definitely want to read a lot more about you and know --. Rachel Maddow, MSNBC's biggest star, has mentored Hayes, her lead-in at 9 p.m., throughout his time at the network. The presence of a hate symbol in a picture of two liberals mugging for the camera was too much to ignore. Great reason --. But at the same time, like, could you get a successful seditious conspiracy prosecution against Donald Trump with all the evidence we have? Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. You could do the whole thing on William Dudley Pelley in the Silver Shirts, which is a crazy story. Justice Department caves, fires the prosecutor. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. Rachel Maddow: -- and freaks and crooks and, you know, people who dont pay their taxes. Chris Hayes: -- and it's funny, too, because I've been thinking about this as I'm listening to your "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," I'm thinking about, you know, the Russians, who have an incredibly profound mythology around World War II, justified by the fact that they lost more lives than anyone in --, Chris Hayes: -- defeating Hitler's army. Rachel Maddow: And so, now she's like, you didn't retire --, Rachel Maddow: -- you changed jobs. bookmark NEWS SHOW access_time 11/21/2022 person Mod chat_bubble 0. They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. Do you remember what it was like? Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. And the next thing they sent him to do was the Christian Front trial --. Chris Hayes: "I think the future is unwritten, and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. And actually, it's amazing, you know, that the Oath Keepers sedition trial is going on --, Rachel Maddow: -- right now. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. Rachel Maddow: Let's take it beyond Ernest Lundeen. So I was like --. Rachel Maddow: -- who are beating up Jews in neighborhoods in New York. Rachel Maddow: I think he said, yeah, exactly, yeah. I mean, the siege of Stalingrad, one of the most brutal, bloody things ever to happen in human war-making --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, they don't talk about the Hitler-Stalin Pact beforehand --. And they're right, like, they earned it. Journalism aside, he has authored several books, including A Colony in a Nation (2017). Chris Hayes is . There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. Be sure to follow us on TikTok. Court actions do not work against this seditious plot involving members of Congress in the Hitler government. Chris Hayes: All right. . Chris Hayes: I am someone who does this for a living. Hey, mom, yeah, but I did. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. We were against them --. Rachel Maddow: Chris, it's very nice. But I have to ask. Like yeah, what Huey Long is saying right there would work now. Chris Hayes: Exactly. That's kind of funny just because she was doing that. Rachel Maddow: -- it turns out that you've never heard of this guy. By Chris Hayes? You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. So --. In this case, this pamphlet is about the Bronx. It's called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." Chris Hayes: Oh, my God, this is amazing. Rachel Maddow: Theres a great book called "Nazis of Copley Square" written by Charles Gallagher, whos a Jesuit priest who teaches at Boston College. Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow don't really get along, do they? Like the people who are listening are like, "Wait, who's the senator?". So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. I think that our professional, and civic and religious institutions can be strong, but can also be hurt. And it was front-page news, and it was a huge deal. And one of the plots that we talk about in the podcast involves a guy who had been, you know, a high-ranking clan leader, right. But it's this great, I think, very resonant tension between something happening that does seem to require a criminal law response that is not well-managed by a criminal law response. And in some cases, they were actively supported by the Hitler government as an effort to create a fifth column here that was going to soften us up for a fascist takeover or to have a native takeover here in the United States that would bring in an administration or a form of government that would be more in keeping and more friendly toward Hitlers aims. I'm getting weirdly teary. And shes just this devout, young Catholic woman whos disgusted by it, who infiltrates them, starts on newspaper, pressures the police, gets them raided and takes it on herself, and then --. And they were acquitted. See or download fact-checks by FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and The Washington Post's Fact Checker.The Nancy Pelosi Archive is one of several collections of TV news clips featuring public officials, with related fact-checks. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? MSNBC hosts Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow had a hard time controlling their laughter on Wednesday night over Donald Trump's sheer stupidity. Doni, do you remember what you told him? It is everything that I would have wanted. January 17th is when they got arrested. Rachel Maddow: You're killing me. She'll still appear on MSNBC, just not as often. It's like, you could leave the job but, like, the you follows you. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. And then fast-forward from the Christian Front trial in 1940 to 1944, 1944 when the great sedition trial finally gets going, and this is in later episodes of the podcast, theres so many powerful members of Congress and members of the Senate who are implicated in this plot and in this investigation that has led to this trial, that they come in and, you know, witch hunt, hoax. Discover will be the first credit card company to use a new merchant identification code that will show purchases made at gun stores. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. That --, Rachel Maddow: -- like, technical suspense? January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. Rachel Maddow: -- if you are on trial, it means you --, Rachel Maddow: -- to overthrow the government and failed and the extent government is now trying you for having tried and failed to do it. Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. A Florida state senator is proposing a bill that would call out the Democrats' hypocrisy regarding cancel culture. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? He is encouraging America that the leaders we need to be emulating are Mussolini and Franco, and he calls for his followers to form armed militia cells to train with weapons, to go the Franco way, to go the way of fascism in this country. There are parts about fascist rhetoric that are compelling in their own twisted terrible way. Chris Hayes: And its also fascinating. I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. 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